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Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby Grapestain » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:57 pm

Hi!

I am wondering the purpose of Collections and Volumes. I have read the related section in the on-line Help (http://www.helium-music-manager.com/collections-and-volumes/), but it seems to me quite useless.

I mean, what is it good for, to separate my audio files into Collections and Volumes? If I want to organize my audio files according to something not in the default properties set, I can still use the 5 custom user fields. There is no difference between renaming Custom Field 1 to Category, and set it to e.g Humor, Children Music, Light Music, or anything, and selecting it in the Music Explorer or using Collections and Volumes to achieve the same effect. The only difference is, that Collections and Volumes are related to the Folder Structure.

To make it clear, I'll show you my Collections and Volumes setup:
Sorted Audio
    AudioBooks
    Humor
    Radio Recordings
Sorted Music
    Children Music
    Classical Music
    Light Music
    Scores and Soundtracks
Unsorted Audio
    AudioBooks
    Children audio
    Humor
Unsorted Music
    New Music
    Unknown Music

So my concept was, to separate the Musics from other Audio files, to separate the properly tagged and structured files from the files still not organized (Sorted/Unsorted) using the Volumes and to separate my files by other Aspects, which I don't want to use or listen at the same time, eg. Light Music and Classical Music. These file are in separate folders on my HDD, so it was easy to set up the different Collections and Volumes.

But my problem is, that this Collections and Volumes structure seems to me quite useless. I can't achieve, what I want, in fact to be able to handle these files separated, but together as well. It is because, if I want to handle them separated way, I can create multiple databases, and switch between them. But in that case I cant see global statistics about my audio usage, eg. in Music Browser view. Or if I want to handle them together, what this whole Collections and Volumes thing is good for? I can use no Collections and Volumes (in fact one collection and one volume).

So the way Collections and Volumes are implemented at the moment, gives no more functionality than using Custom user fields or different databases.

The only benefit for me, that it is possible to filter by Collections and Volumes quiet easy, as the filters in different views has an easy to set up, check-box based field for this information.

But:
    There are no filter available in Search and Music Explorer view. Why? I think it would be essential, to choose in which Collections and Volumes I want to search, and to choose, if I want to see my statistics for only a specified volume, or more or the whole my library.
    On the other hand, it seems to me, that it is against the whole concept, that the filters are not synchronized between views. Provided that at the moment I only want to work with my Sorted Light Music, and none of the unsorted, or the other kind of audio files, there should be a way, to select that Collection and Volume, somewhere in a more general place in the User Interface, than in the views, since I want to use that collection(s) and volumes(s), while I can switch between different views.

So I think, that Collections and Volumes would be really useful, if the Collections and Volumes field would be moved from each view's filter panel, to a view independent place, eg. next to the global search filed, and would be applied to each view, until it is set the way I set it up.

I can't find any apparent reason, to independently filter by Collections and Volumes the Music Explorer, the Artists and the Albums views, and to not be able to filter the Music Browser, and the Search views.

Please, can someone from Intermedia describe me, what was the concept behind Collections and Volumes implemented the way it is, or if my opinion is against some greater concepts of Helium Music Manager? Thank you very much, in advance!
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Re: Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby Grapestain » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:42 pm

Anyone interested, please?
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Re: Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby arachnos » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:03 pm

But my problem is, that this Collections and Volumes structure seems to me quite useless. I can't achieve, what I want, in fact to be able to handle these files separated, but together as well. It is because, if I want to handle them separated way, I can create multiple databases, and switch between them. But in that case I cant see global statistics about my audio usage, eg. in Music Browser view. Or if I want to handle them together, what this whole Collections and Volumes thing is good for? I can use no Collections and Volumes (in fact one collection and one volume).


I fully agree with Grapestain. In HMM 2007 it was very well implemeted, but in HMM 2008 the problems begun. HMM 2009 I have not used.
The only way to move albbums and tracks from one volume/collection to another is to delete them from database and add it again. I call this a bad workflow or its useless...
I would like to use v/c the same way as Grapestain does - but its not possible.

And there is now answer/reaction from "THe Managment" since the first post! Why? :?

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Re: Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby arachnos » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:40 pm

Hi

Nobody interessted to discuss that? And Intermedia - sleeping? :wink:

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Re: Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby Fredrik Heidgert » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:32 pm

arachnos wrote:Nobody interessted to discuss that?


I guess not ;-)

arachnos wrote:And Intermedia - sleeping?


We're alive and are reading but sometimes we want to await to see what others say.

To make a short summary of our view of the Collection/Volume features;

This is an old system which has caused lots of problems throughout time (mainly due to an initially bad design together with "wrong" usage). We have wanted to remove/replace this system for quite some time now but since some people are still using it and we haven't been able to provide a full working alternative we needed to keep it alive.

We are still working on a good replacement for this and will report back once we can provide it. In the meantime we suggest that you try the User Categories instead of the Collection/Volume feature since it gives more flexibility (even though it's not as fine-tunes as we had wished).
Fredrik Heidgert
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Helium Music Manager - http://www.helium-music-manager.com
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Re: Concept of Collections and Volumes

Postby arachnos » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:55 pm

"Good Morning" Fredrik :D

Thanks for your answer. And yes - in the past were a lot f problems with that. So I will try the User categories and if its usable for my needs I will be satisfied.
Otherwise maybe I have some ideas...

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