iTunes..... please make it stop

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iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby RobH » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:28 pm

After a couple of years of fairly frequent use, my trusty 30Gb iPod 4G finally gave up the ghost. Battery life was down to about an hour at best plus most of the time tracks simply wouldn't play. So what with Christmas coming I decided to treat myself to a new iPod Classic 80Gb.

While the device itself is great, the software I used to use to transfer tracks to it (Anapod) no longer works. It's registered against my old iPod and you need the software developers to reset your registration key so you can use it with a new iPod, so I'm waiting to hear and to see if it still works with the iPod's updated database. So in the meantime to be able to transfer music to my new toy, plus get the ability to load those all important firmware upgrades, there was only one solution... to dance with the devil !! Enter iTunes.... :twisted:

Now I dabbled with iTunes a few years back and got frustrated with it very quickly - it was a case of nice interface but I don't want it trying to 'manage' my music collection; too many horror stories about it trashing people's files, plus as a tagger and database it just didn't cut it. Sure the new iTunes 7.4.something is as sexy as ever to look at and the Coverflow feature is a stroke of genius, but it's still the same old iTunes underneath with this Apple mentality of "you'll do it my way or not at all"!

For those of us who already have a collection of music outside iTunes, the software seems to give you two choices. First is to let iTunes take over and manage your collection. All your files are copied to it's "My Music" folder and you then have to use it's (rather weak) tagging and database functions to look after your tracks. Errr, no... Helium manages my music collection and that isn't going to change any time soon, so I opted for the alternative. Leave your mp3s where they are and simply point iTunes at them, in which case it scans the tags and then maintains a database of pointers back to the original files. All well and good but as soon as you change any tag data outside iTunes then you're stuffed because iTunes doesn't have a 're-sync' function to pick up the changed tags. I eventually found that to get updated tags, artwork, etc. into iTunes I had to shut it down, delete it's databse, reload it then use "Add Folders" to get it to re-scan my entire collection from scratch!!

So, I have resorted to using WinAmp 5.5 to transfer files to my iPod which is not ideal as it has a few bugs in it, plus I have to load the desired tracks into WinAmp's database before I can transfer them. Now I've seen numerous requests from people in the past - myself included - for a way for Helium to be able to manage your iPod, but all this made me stop and think. Apple, like Microsoft, like to keep changing things and a lot of the software that's out there that did work with the older generations of iPod has been broken because of the way Apple does things (as I guess is their right). So, you slave away re-writing your code to work with the new iPods, but then who's to say that the next iPod firmware upgrade won't break your code again. Great, you're trying to improve your own software, add features, schedule releases etc., but then you're also having to playing catch up with Apple at the drop of a hat when they decide to change something. Sounds like a thankless task. Good for Apple I guess because if more people are forced to use iTunes then that's a bigger potential audience for their Music Store (nice idea, shame about the DRM, pricing and 192Kbps limit).

I'm sure I had a point to make when I started this post, but old age and the need to go fetch a beer have got the better of me!

All the best... :wink:
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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby giacomogo » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:18 am

RobH wrote:I'm sure I had a point to make when I started this post, ...


I feel your pain. My love/hate relationship with apple lost the love long ago, leaving me with irrational contempt:

My amazon review, buried amongst the hype :wink:
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Postby Findelskin » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:52 pm

I felt it necessary to add my opinion on iTunes a couple months back when I got one for my dad.

Gia, you obviously had better patience then myself, after 10 minutes I couldn't resist the urge to purge my system of any apple software (including QT).

My review can be found below (stupid MS and their use of unsupported characters):

http://findelskin.spaces.live.com/blog/ ... !570.entry
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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby RobH » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:01 pm

If you guys ported a version of Helium across to Mac OS X you'd become millionaires!

After six months of almost exclusively using a Mac Pro, I have lost count of the number of people I have seen online saying they hate iTunes and they wish there was a decent alternative. Trust me - there isn't, it's pretty much iTunes or nothing if you want to manage an mp3 file collection, play music, do tagging etc., and we all know about iTunes shortcomings in that department :wink:

Yeah I know it's not that easy - there's the database engine to think of for starters (guess you could always support something like Bento).

Anyway, I still run Windows XP under VMWare Fusion on the Mac just so I can run SQL Express and Helium, and every time I fire it up (which is most days) it just works. I can even pretend it's running natively under OS X by using the Fusion 'Unity' feature.

So, what can I do to persuade you to work on a Mac version of Helium? A six month supply of beer and Red Bull? :mrgreen:
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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby Mikael Stalvik » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:14 pm

Well, the main problem with development on a Mac is no one of us has any experience of it (although I once upon a time programmed for Motorola 68000 processors, which the Mac had a long time ago).
And our main development environments is not available, so it would mean a total restart.

The next version of Helium Music Manager which we are currently working day and nights on will come with something for PC users which will allow them to get rid of iTunes (if they have devices without Firmware 2.0)...
To be continued... :)

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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby giacomogo » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:14 am

Mikael Stalvik wrote:Well, the main problem with development on a Mac is no one of us has any experience of it (although I once upon a time programmed for Motorola 68000 processors, which the Mac had a long time ago).
And our main development environments is not available, so it would mean a total restart.

I was just about to ask whether VMware Fusion could really close the gap, but RobH has already broken that ground in his HMM+Leopard post. Thanks for that, Rob!
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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby vincamp » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:38 am

Now that I've seen the 2009 edition I really need the Mac version!!
Any news? Thanks. Vincenzo
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Re: iTunes..... please make it stop

Postby giacomogo » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:39 am

vincamp wrote:Now that I've seen the 2009 edition I really need the Mac version!!
Any news? Thanks. Vincenzo

I've recently asked as well, so can confidently disappoint you by saying that the Mac version is nowhere in sight (or even in plan). You'll have to settle for Boot Camp or VM Ware Fusion. Check out this other posting as well: Helium under Mac OSX Leopard !!
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